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 Post subject: Class v. Book?
PostPosted: Tue Jul 31, 2007 9:52 pm 
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I have been to the two development classes and, much like in college, found that they taught directly from the book and didn't really have any additional insight that I couldn't have gotten from the training material.

Do you think it's worth it to go to the classes if you have all of the training material? I don't want to waste my time or money. Any and all opinions are appreciated. Thanks.

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It depends if you're a class room learner or self-study learner.

For me, I learn better in a classroom environment rather than reading from books.

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The whole point of classes is to ask questions that left unclear to you after you have read yourself all the available materials.
If the lecturers cant answer them then it is usually not worth to attend.


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My first time of even seeing Navision back in 1996 was at a Navision development course, and I would say not being one for studying the manual, a practical hands on view was worth more hour for hour than any manual.

It really depends on you as a person, "horses for courses" some will get more from the manuals others from the hands on approach, how often have you read a technical passage in a document that in practice could be explained so much more clearer.

Navisions help is a prime example, the samples are not real world and often confuse by to many scenarios, rather than giving real practical solutions.

Look at DELCHR removing "ws" where most of us are looking to remove, Quotes, Comma's and Spaces from text strings for Importing or Exporting, where in real life would you want to remove "ws" ?

The two strings are shown in the message window as:
>Windy Solutions<, is transformed to: >indy Solution<
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Hello,
As for Developer - I think it's better selfstudying using manuals and practice. Moreover - it's not such type of programming to be explained by lecturer. (For the Financials - class thing is better)
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 Post subject: Re: Class v. Book?
PostPosted: Wed Aug 01, 2007 7:00 pm 
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matttrax wrote:
taught directly from the book

What's wrong with that?
matttrax wrote:
didn't really have any additional insight that I couldn't have gotten from the training material.

That's not because it's a bad teaching method. Either the training material is really good, or the trainer is not very good. Either way, there should be a good connection between the class and the training material.
matttrax wrote:
Do you think it's worth it to go to the classes if you have all of the training material?

Yes for sure, but if you are expecting more than the topics in the training material, you have to ask questions.

Personally I get annoyed when I receive training material and the class is about something else. I want the class to follow the training material. I find it a source of great irritation when the teacher goes off on things not in the book, because then I try to keep up with notes, I miss half of what they're saying, and when I get back to my office I don't have any reference material to fall back on. The trainer is there to explain, so if you don't understand what he's saying then ask questions.

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 Post subject: What kind of book you guys recommend
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Is there any self-training book kit for certification exmas of NAV 4/5?

Thank you much


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Hello,
You can order such books from MS. 1 book price approx. 50E (60$?!?)
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Igor Beeone wrote:
Hello,
You can order such books from MS. 1 book price approx. 50E (60$?!?)
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Can you give me the link or books' name?


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Hello,
8324 Microsoft® Business Solutions - Navision® 4.0 Introduction
8363 Microsoft® Business Solutions - Navision® 4.0 Relationship Management
8365 Microsoft® Business Solutions - Navision® 4.0 Service Management
8366 Microsoft® Business Solutions - Navision® 4.0 Business Notification
8387 Microsoft® Business Solutions - Navision® 4.0 Warehouse Management
8390 Microsoft® Business Solutions - Navision® 4.0 Inventory Management
8401 Microsoft® Business Solutions - Navision® 4.0 Development II - C/SIDE Solution Development
8421 Microsoft® Business Solutions - Navision® 4.0 Commerce Portal
8423 Microsoft® Business Solutions - Navision® 4.0 Commerce Gateway
8424 Microsoft® Business Solutions - Navision® 4.0 Job Costing
8357 Microsoft® Business Solutions - Navision® 4.0 Fixed Assets
8358 Microsoft® Business Solutions - Navision® 4.0 Resources and Jobs
8359B Microsoft® Business Solutions - Navision® 4.0 Development I - C/SIDE Introduction
8360B Microsoft® Business Solutions - Navision® 4.0 Manufacturing I
8361B Microsoft® Business Solutions - Navision® 4.0 Manufacturing II
8362 Microsoft® Business Solutions - Navision® 4.0 Trade
8384 Microsoft® Business Solutions - Navision® 4.0 Financials I
8388B Microsoft® Business Solutions - Navision® 4.0 Inventory Costing
8389B Microsoft® Business Solutions - Navision® 4.0 Manufacturing Costing
8404C Microsoft® Business Solutions - Navision® 4.0 Installation and Configuration
8405 Microsoft® Business Solutions - Navision® 4.0 Financials II
8422 Microsoft® Business Solutions - Navision® 4.0 Business Analytics
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 04, 2007 12:08 pm 
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Igor Beeone wrote:
Hello,
8324 Microsoft® Business Solutions - Navision® 4.0 Introduction
8363 Microsoft® Business Solutions - Navision® 4.0 Relationship Management
8365 Microsoft® Business Solutions - Navision® 4.0 Service Management
8366 Microsoft® Business Solutions - Navision® 4.0 Business Notification
8387 Microsoft® Business Solutions - Navision® 4.0 Warehouse Management
8390 Microsoft® Business Solutions - Navision® 4.0 Inventory Management
8401 Microsoft® Business Solutions - Navision® 4.0 Development II - C/SIDE Solution Development
8421 Microsoft® Business Solutions - Navision® 4.0 Commerce Portal
8423 Microsoft® Business Solutions - Navision® 4.0 Commerce Gateway
8424 Microsoft® Business Solutions - Navision® 4.0 Job Costing
8357 Microsoft® Business Solutions - Navision® 4.0 Fixed Assets
8358 Microsoft® Business Solutions - Navision® 4.0 Resources and Jobs
8359B Microsoft® Business Solutions - Navision® 4.0 Development I - C/SIDE Introduction
8360B Microsoft® Business Solutions - Navision® 4.0 Manufacturing I
8361B Microsoft® Business Solutions - Navision® 4.0 Manufacturing II
8362 Microsoft® Business Solutions - Navision® 4.0 Trade
8384 Microsoft® Business Solutions - Navision® 4.0 Financials I
8388B Microsoft® Business Solutions - Navision® 4.0 Inventory Costing
8389B Microsoft® Business Solutions - Navision® 4.0 Manufacturing Costing
8404C Microsoft® Business Solutions - Navision® 4.0 Installation and Configuration
8405 Microsoft® Business Solutions - Navision® 4.0 Financials II
8422 Microsoft® Business Solutions - Navision® 4.0 Business Analytics
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Igor Beeone

Wow, how prompt response you take; however, these materials you provided are class collections which I can't buy without attend courses.

I just wonder if there are some self-training kit.


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PostPosted: Sat Aug 04, 2007 12:21 pm 
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Hello,
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Microsoft Registered Partners cannot order hard-copy training materials for Microsoft Dynamics directly from Microsoft training material distributors, but may order training materials through a Microsoft Certified Partner for Learning Solutions.

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Microsoft Certified and Gold Certified Partners

Hard-copy training materials for Microsoft Dynamics can be ordered directly by Microsoft Certified and Gold Certified Partners. View the United States and Canada Training Material List (Microsoft Excel Spreadsheet) to find titles before ordering.

Search here: https://solutionfinder.microsoft.com/Default.aspx?wa=wsignin1.0
I have no idea of another way getting these materials.
Hope it helps.
Br,
Igor Beeone[/b]

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PostPosted: Sun Aug 05, 2007 1:24 am 
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You don't have to attend any training to purchase the manuals. You do have to get your solution center to order them from you. If you don't have a solution center, you can contact Microsoft directly.

The whole e-learning thing is always changing though, you might even be able to get them for free from your solution center, based on the level of support you have with them.

The important thing here is to call your solution center and ask them about it.

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PostPosted: Wed Aug 08, 2007 8:40 pm 
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If you have a customersource account every book is available, even on the minimum service plan. It takes a little digging to find them, but they are there.

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PostPosted: Wed Aug 08, 2007 10:51 pm 
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matttrax wrote:
If you have a customersource account every book is available, even on the minimum service plan. It takes a little digging to find them, but they are there.


Digging is the issue.

Any chance you could post some links in customer source or partner source where these are.

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